It's good every family member is here again
You don't need to miss your son now
To make sure you'll like the house Master has made it look elegant
Right. The lilacs are my favorite
There's a wind chime too
But it can't be your ideas
Obviously it must be the idea of a lady
The only lady in the Capital is your senior
Miss Tung Ching?
She's come here before. She said these things would help enliven the house
I'm sorry I wasn't here to look after you It's good Tung Ching has been here
It'd be too bad if you were alone I'm grateful to her
Bro, you're really lucky You've a wife who cares about you so much
You must treat here nicely in future
Mo Yung
Mom
You still stay up at this time of the night?
I'm not tired yet
Look, it's been a long trip You look exhausted
Really?
Tung Ching is really brilliant. She can take care of the business and the house
Still, she looks energetic and gorgeous
Don't blame me for being a busybody
Do you think Tung Ching or you would match Shi Chun better?
Tung Ching, of course. They've common interests and topics of conversation
If I were you, I'd be a bit jealous
Not me! Tung Ching is very capable I can't match up with her
You're not upset at all?
I'm upset about my incompetence I wasn't here when Shi Chun needed me most
Tung Ching is different She knows medicine and she cooks well
I feel relieved You're highborn. You're cultured
Actually I want to read more medical books But I feel sleepy when I try to read them
Don't worry. Take it easy Even Shi Chun won't force you to do that
Revising the "Compendium of Materia Medica" is a big project
I really want to share his burden
But my specialty is drawing It's totally irrelevant to his work
The luckiest woman is the one who doesn't need to do anything
She can sit back and enjoy the love and hug of her husband
Dad is very nice to you
But he's the one who sits back and enjoys my service
Kiu, where's my book on acupuncture?
See? He's calling me again It's late. Go to bed now
How's it, bro? We haven't had any heart-to-heart talk for a long time already
Hey, you and Tung Ching are still fond of each other?
You want to have 2 women at the same time? I'm rebuking you on behalf of Mo Yung
I never have any improper fantasies
I trust you. It's OK if you're sensible
I know it well that Mo Yung is my wife Tung Ching is just a good female friend
I know the difference between a wife and a good female friend
Really?
At first I didn't know it I learned it by observing you
A good female friend is someone who can share with you spiritually
But a wife gives you a feeling of warmth
It's a good elaboration
To a man, the most ideal woman should possess both characteristics
But God won't be so nice to us
The luckiest guy is the one who can meet 2 such women separately
A clever guy is the one who avoids thinking about it
I'd better concentrate on the revision of the Compendium
You work in the Imperial Academy of Medicine now
You've a plan to revise the Compendium?
Yes, I must point out the errors in the previous editions of the Compendium
I'll supplement it with illustrations and writing before a complete copy is submitted
You've been drawing the herbs. What's this?
It's Tian-qi or Panax Pseudo-ginseng Its common name is False Ginseng
There was no description of it in previous medical literature
It's a product of Yunnan People here aren't familiar with it
I was about to write down its characteristics and curative effect
If an illustration is added people will find it easier to identify it
You've to research, draw and edit Can you manage so many things?
I can only try my best What annoys me is my poor drawing skills
I've spent the whole night but I don't know what I've drawn
Do you think I can help?
Mo Yung
I didn't intend to eavesdrop but drawing is my specialty
Right, she can draw
But it's very hard work
I like drawing and I want to help you
I'm relieved if you can help me Would you draw a steamed Tian-qi first?
Sure, I'll do it as soon as possible
Good morning, Master
Good morning
This is the Tian-qi I drew last night. Have a look
It looks like the feces of a dog
Hey, it's Tian-qi I spent the whole night drawing it
Maybe the color has affected the texture I'm a bit exaggerated, right?
Yeah, you're too exaggerated
Don't comfort me My fine brush technique is poor
It doesn't look like the real thing
Your specialty is landscape painting. It's hard to shift to fine brush work suddenly
Honestly speaking, you've done a good job
I won't talk to you now. I must hurry back to the Imperial Academy of Medicine
I'll talk to you again tonight
Sorry, I'm too outspoken
You've told the truth. My skills are poor I couldn't help Shi Chun in the end
How can I master the fine brush techniques within the shortest span of time?
You must get a master to teach you
Miss, you may come out now
Come on
Are you sure no one here knows me?
Of course. Your way of dressing really convinces others you're not married
I've no choice. Lau Suet-Wu is a famous artist who specializes in drawing plants
I must be her student if I want to draw for Shi Chun
If he's willing to teach married woman you won't have to dress up like this
I don't know how to lie. What shall I do?
I'll talk on your behalf You just nod your head
I'll show you my work on plum blossoms
Where's it?
Excuse me, are you Master Lau?
What's up?
I'd like to be your student and learn fine brush drawing
This is her work
You've a talent for it but we're of different styles
I know you've a plum blossom collection
Those who have seen it are amazed by your understanding of the plum blossoms
You've seen it before?
I really admire your techniques which are exquisite and true to life
I want to learn fine brush drawing from you
I haven't taught any student for a long time
I use this place just to meet other artists You should go and look for other masters
But you're the best artist in plant drawing
Master Lau
Pong Hin
Mr. Pong! Miss Ng
You're Master Lau's friend?
Master Lau is my dad's longtime friend I came over to have tea with him
I didn't expect to come across you
Master had been looking for you in Qizhou He didn't expect to come across you here
Shut up!
How come you're here?
Miss wanted to learn from Master Lau but Master Lau had declined her request
I'm really sincere
How can you decline a girl who came a long way from Qizhou?
I'm used to a life without commitment It's tiring teaching students
It's because you haven't met a talented and sincere student
I wanted to teach you in the past but you'd declined me
What if I want to be your student now?
Are you sure?
Yes, I won't be distracted so easily if my good friend can learn with me together
Right, having one more student won't be too much for you
There's one more requirement I never teach any married woman
Miss is still single
Right, she's not married yet
In order to show my respect to Pong Hin and I'm also impressed by your sincerity
I'll be your teacher
Thank you, Master
My plum blossom drawing is here Let's look at it together Great!
Master, are you excited?
You're a flibbertigibbet
If you hadn't helped me, Mr. Lau wouldn't have agreed to be my teacher
Though he's a cool and proud he treats his students as his kids
Why does he refuse to teach married woman?
He'd a female married student before They were getting along very well too
But people rumored that they'd an affair The student's husband even messed about it
After that, Master Lau decided not to teach any married woman anymore
By the way, why did you come here?
I came with my family
I had a funny encounter in Qizhou I met a girl who looked like you
But she got a big macula on her left face I thought she was you
That wouldn't be possible
Right, you're a pretty girl You wouldn't have a macula on your face
By the way, that lady dressed up as a married woman
But you're still unmarried
It's time to go back
I'm really grateful to you. See you later
See you later
It's a chasing game! Destiny has put us together again
Don't get too excited. You may scare her
I can't be unexcited when she's here
Everybody, Chun Sin Mei opens business today
We hope you can be our customers in future
Our specialty is delicious medicinal dishes
We'll satisfy your taste bud and provide you with a healthy diet
I'm Little Buddha I'll invent exotic menu for you
There'll be delicious dishes of birds animals, snakes, worms, rats and ants
These are his personal collection
As an authentic doctor I'll only use good medicinal herbs
You can eat here with a peace of mind
Today is the first day of our business
We'll sell our special, Tian-qi steamed pot chicken soup at half price
There's only a limited supply We'll sell it while stocks last
You've ordered it in advance
Sis Yat, watch out! These are my treasures
We're doing business It's not for you to dry your herbs here
I just forgot to take them back It's not a big deal. Don't be so mean to me
Put them in the backyard atrium
The Mugwort from Qizhou? Is it yours?
Yes
Would you sell it to me? All of them Just give me a price Sure
Are you serious? All of them?
Yes, they're rare and expensive here Take it. Is it enough?
Yeah, yeah. Thank you. That's all yours
It's amazing things are much more valuable when they're away from home
It may be a chance to make money Many herbs in Qizhou aren't sold here
I'll go and get some herbs in Qizhou
I'll make profits from the price difference
It sounds attractive!
Who said you could sell here?
I can read your mind. Your concern is money How much do you want?
Half-half? It's daylight robbery!
You can sell it in the streets
Don't be so mean if you want to marry again
That's enough. You're fond of teasing me You want to provoke me and ruin it?
Hey, what do you want? How come you're so small-minded
Let me handle the chores
If I'm not allowed to do such simple things I'll feel I'm worthless
Shi Chun, you and I have something in common: we're stubborn
Why don't you go back to work?
I'm also stubborn Let's do the washing-up together
Actually you and my husband...
What?
You're a perfect match
When I'm alone at home I can't stop thinking about many things
What're you thinking about?
I want to be like you
capable and independent and have something to share with Shi Chun in the conversation
Actually we must learn to admire ourselves
It'll motivate us to develop our potential and get the admiration of others in the end
You mustn't look down upon yourself
I hope to narrow the gap between Shi Chun and me
Even I can't help his career I hope I can still communicate with him
If it's something that can be learned I want to be your student
Would you care to teach me?
You can always ask me if there's anything you don't understand
It's a deal Don't be impatient if I'm stupid
Ouch!
What's up?
The salty water has chapped my hands
Stop the washing-up. Get some pork in the kitchen and rub the skin with it
It's the best skincare method!
You've taught me a new thing
Everybody is gone? Yeah
You should go home now
I've to finish the bookkeeping first Maybe I'm too excited. I'm not tired
Really? Why don't you give me a massage?
No problem. Grab a seat
What an exhausting day! I couldn't get a rest until now
Let me press your sensitive points. Ready?
I saw Mo Yung's hands were hurt as a result of too much washing-up
Did you torture her intentionally?
What're you talking about?
I've touched your sensitive points, right?
It hurts. That's enough. You're scary I feel worse than before
It's even worse you've to treat Mo Yung as nicely as your good sister
Mo Yung is a very simple girl I feel very guilty she's so innocent
How long can this threesome last?
They're legal couples. I'm just a senior It isn't Mo Yung's fault either
I don't want to harm her I don't want to trouble Shi Chun either
That's why you're so tolerant
Why can't you be more tolerant towards Kwo Chun? You always quarrel with him
I didn't pick the quarrels He's just fond of provoking me
People say your future other half is the one who quarrels with you
Nonsense! I won't talk to you now I've to go back to take care of my kid
Hello
You're drawing the illustrations Yeah
Sis Yat has taught me a few techniques in massage. They could help reduce fatigue
I'm fine
How come your hands have become so oily?
My hands are chapped because of doing too much washing-up
Tung Ching told me to put some lard on it
Your shoulders are covered with lard!
The marks were left by you, Mo Yung? Look, the door has become oily
Sorry. I tried to wipe the furniture I didn't know I'd made an oily mess
Let me wipe it clean for you
No, no. Let me do it
You shouldn't soak your hands in water for the time being
Go to Chun Sin Mei and tell Tung Ching about it tomorrow
No, Chun Sin Mei needs my help Tung Ching had helped you a lot in the past
I'll return the favor by helping her Actually what I worry most is you
Can you revise the Compendium by yourself? Do you need Tung Ching to help you?
Right, you should ask her to help you
If I ask her to help me I'll have less time to stay with you
I can spend my time learning other things
If Tung Ching and you work together and finish the Compendium earlier
you'll have more time to stay with me
Hurry up! Don't slow down
Freeze!
Freeze! Don't run!
Catch her. Catch her
Do you know what you've done is a violation of the imperial decree?
I'd rather die than live a life like this
You really want to die?
No, no, let me off
OK. Send her to the Pharmacy
No, I don't want to go. No...
I'm in charge of the making of the elixir
Anybody who obstructs its development will be exterminated, OK?
Holy man, you can rest assured that it won't happen again
You're not suspecting anything?
We'd better not to intervene in the affairs of the palace maids
But all the palace maids go and get mulberry and drink dew in the early morning
When one of them tried to run away she was caught and sent to the Pharmacy
I really suspect the whole thing is related to the Imperial Academy of Medicine
As a newcomer, you don't know the rules This is the affairs of the Inner Palace
Even the Imperial doctors of the Imperial Pharmacy have no authority to ask about it
Don't forget we're just 2 nobodies here
Do you know who that Taoist priest is? He was scolding the Director's Assistants
He isn't an ordinary Taoist priest His name is Shiu Yuen Chit
His Majesty has named him as the Holy Man He makes the elixir of life for His Majesty
He's ranked as an official of the 2nd tier His rank is even higher than the Director
He answers directly to Grand Counselor Yim Sung
The Director can't challenge his work here
The Director's Assistants are Yim's men They'll definitely listen to Shiu's order
I'm wondering why Shiu Yuen Chit sent the palace maid to the Pharmacy
Let's go and have a look
She's the palace maid who picked the mulberry this morning. What's happened?
Take it carefully to His Majesty Yes, Holy Man
What have they made for His Majesty to eat? What's happened to the palace maid?
Don't tell me you want to go inside
The Pharmacy is a restricted area Trespasser will either lose his job or head
You've made a very good progress
Really? Let me know what else I can do to improve my skills
You must have a calm heart to concentrate so as to note the plant's characteristics
Then you can draw them in fine details
The commitment requires you to involve yourself in the plants
Then you can draw marvelously
Miss, the Master wants you to refrain from being impatient
But I want to get results as soon as possible
Why?
She wants to please her husband
What?
Her dad wants her to learn well so as to please her future husband
You've the talent for it. Trust me
Mr. Pong, why are you not drawing anything?
Master Pong has been distracted by what Miss Ng has said
I'll draw after I've observed carefully the characteristics of this plum blossom
Really? There's a big plum wood at the back
What if we spend a few hours there and I'll explain to you its characteristics?
Come on, let's go to the backyard now
A few hours? Master, a few hours!
The plum blossoms there are very beautiful
Sorry, I must go home now I can't stay here for too long
We've very strict house rules Her dad and mom will scold her
I got it. I've a small gift for you Siu Tung
It's pretty but it's too precious for me
Don't decline it
Do you remember in Wuchang, you gave me a paper fan with landscape painting on it?
I've still kept it in good condition This painting is a return of the favor
I've drawn many paintings about orchids and this one is the best
I've no excuse to decline it. Thank you Why do you choose to draw orchids?
Orchid is our country's most famous flower
It's even more famous than chrysanthemum, daffodil and calamus
The orchid is gentle but strong It's also fresh and elegant. It's like you
Mr. Pong, it seems you're courting a girl?
Apart from its beauty orchid has its medicinal value
Really?
The leaves subdue liver hyperactivity The roots eliminate kidney inflammation
The stalks cure malignant ringworm The petals ease delivery in labor
They can also be used as fragrant herbs
I'm interested to know more about it Would you explain it in details? Sure
If you hadn't told me about it, I wouldn't have known its different medicinal value
You can ask me anytime if you're interested in other medicinal herbs
Sure. See you. Thank you Good bye Good bye
Patience and sincerity really move a person
It seems she's more interested in the medicinal herbs than you
Hey! Starting a chat is the first step to develop a relationship
Do you think you really have a chance?
At least she responded in a positive manner
Why are you making friends with Mr. Pong? He may discover your false identity
We're not chatting about personal things
I just want to know more about things in the Academy and medicinal herbs
It helps my communication with Shi Chun
You've done so many things for Master Shi Chun. I'm really impressed
But when will you disclose to others that you're learning painting?
I'd better disclose it later I don't want to study under pressure
When I've completed what I've to learn I'll tell Shi Chun and give him a surprise
Mrs. Chu, the restaurant is closed
I'd a row with my husband I haven't eaten anything yet
That's why you look so exhausted
There's no overnight grudge between husbands and wives
A nice chat will ease off the tension
He complains I always throw a tantrum so he doesn't want to see me
He goes out every night and comes back very late
His clothes are stained with cosmetics Probably he's a mistress outside
Don't be so agitated Hitting the desks and chairs won't help
Sorry. I don't understand why I've been so agitated recently
I feel a fire burning in my heart and there's a scorching heat inside my body
How old are you, Mrs. Chu?
I'm in my 40's
Can you be a bit more specific?
I'm in my late 40's
A woman of that age is at a watershed of a new physiological stage
The old medical literature called this woman illness "Lily disease"
A woman at this stage always has insomnia She's also restless and suspicious
She may also have not flush, dizziness tinnitus, pain in the bones and tiredness
Besides, she'll feel sick and the menstrual cycles are disturbed
When a woman reaches 40 years old her vital energy will be reduced by half
Feeble pulse, weak supreme surge vessel
asthenia of the kidney-essence, stoppage of menstruation and nephropenic sterility
What're you talking about? Can you explain it more clearly?
I don't understand any of it Can my illness be cured?
Don't be agitated. It's curable
Sis Yat, get the chrysanthemum of Hangzhou Chinese yam, Wolfberry fruits and Rehmannia
Simmer them with 3 bowls of water until you get 1 bowl of decoction
Then mix it with fish stock before you give it to Mrs. Chu to drink
The decoction nourishes the yin and calms and suppresses the liver-yang
It's a very effective treatment for the Lily disease
It won't be effective if you just take it a couple of times. You must take it regularly
Come back and drink it tomorrow
A bodily condition can be regulated by medicinal food and dishes
But whether your husband has a mistress
is something that can only be dealt with by yourself
I've got all the medical books you need
What's the pot for?
It's Tian-qi steamed pot chicken soup
You must get some late supper when you're burning the midnight oil
You've to work in Chun Sin Mei and you're now helping me to compile the book
You must let me know if it's too much for you
I've a purpose of doing it My greatest interest is in medicine
Helping you compile the book is a way of satisfying myself
Stop talking nonsense What's our target tonight?
Actually the outline is almost finished
We may correct the errors in the previous description of the medicinal herbs
We may see whether there're new herbs that we may add to the Compendium
I'm asking about the target tonight
Tonight? Let's check the errors
OK
Let's start from here Sure
You're back
Why do you stay up at this time of the night? Waiting for me?
No, I can't sleep because it's so cold
Your hands are really icy
Wait for me
How's it? More comfortable now?
It's comfy. Thank you
We're husband and wife. You're too polite
I wish we could do it together every night
But I've work to do
I'm not blaming you I just enjoy it very much
Well, I saw many pretty orchids in the market today
Actually orchid has great medicinal value
The leaves can cure whopping coughs and kill worms and virus
The flower's extract is good for the eyes and it's a good antidepressant
The roots help prevent pulmonary abscess
The fruits help stop vomiting and the seeds can cure dryness of eyes
It's really very impressive You're as good as a doctor
Did you read my medical books secretly?
I won't tell you how I learned it
But every part of the orchid has its medicinal value
Can Chun Sin mei use orchid as the special?
It's a good idea What if you talk to Tung Ching about it?
Great! You can count on me
You've bought so many painting tools
No wonder the shopkeeper gave you a discount before you asked
I'll be his steady customer in future
Shi Chun's Compendium requires a lot of drawings
In the past we often went to the cosmetics shops
but we go to the art material shop now
I feel as if I've become a cultured person
I've given up using cosmetics since Tung Ching taught me herbal skincare
But my skin seems to have become better than before
You've saved a lot of money too
Miss Tung Ching has taught me using aloe leaves and water to clean my face
It's really very effective
Me too. My skin is smoother than before
You really look radiant but it's due to Master Shi Chun rather than herbal skincare
It's probably true that absence makes the heart grow fonder
Since we met again after our separation
and after I'd learned about the medicinal herbs from Mr. Pong
we've more to talk about and he's more thoughtful than before
I didn't feel the intimacy of a husband and wife in the past but I've got it now
Look, you really can't hide your excitement and happiness
However, I must warn you
When a man treats you so nicely suddenly he must have done something wrong
You must remain vigilant
Don't try to scare me My husband is impeccable
You've been incurably poisoned
My husband is like an invaluable tonic His presence makes me feel energetic
I really enjoy living here
It seems you're happier when you're busy
Look, I thought you'd go and help in Chun Sin Mei today?
I've taken everything with me already I'm going to Chun Sin Mei now
You go home by yourself OK
Sis Tung Ching
Did I forget to tell you the restaurant is closed today?
Yeah, I thought I'd help you do the washing-up here
Really?
It's OK. Actually I want to show you something. Is it smooth?
The lard is really good for the hands
It's good but I'd made the house oily Then I discovered Camellia oil is also good
You know more than me in skincare
I can't match up with you in setting the menu for medicinal food and dishes
Actually I've a headache with the menu I'm looking for a few more specials
If you don't mind, I've a suggestion
Have you thought of using orchid?
Actually someone has taught me
to make a drink using dried orchids honey, walnut and a bit of prickly ash
It can clear away summer-heat and heat evil eliminate coughing and nourish the lungs
It's especially good for someone who's been coughing for a long time
I'm aware of the medicinal value of orchid but for clearing away summer-heat...
I'm silly! It's winter now
It's not the right season Let me think about it again
I've an idea
Try it
Sure. Thanks
It smells good
It's the orchid congee I've changed the ingredients
It's more than clearing away summer-heat
Would you tell me the recipe again? OK
Let me write it down
The ingredients include Eupatorium and polished round-grained rice
First, decoct the Eupatorium to bring out the aroma
Then get the decoction and discard the pulp
Finally, add the rice and cook it until it becomes congee
It's best to eat it before meals It helps blood circulation
It's good for women who've blood stagnation and tummy ache after delivery
If the body and face are swollen or there's difficulty in urinating
Drinking it will facilitate water dispersal and reduce the swelling
You're a quick learner. Help me again when I set the special menu next time
Really? Thank you, sis Tung Ching
Since orchid is chosen as the theme why don't we design a full orchid menu?
I've heard that the leaves, roots, stalks and petals all have their medicinal value
It's a good idea but I've to mix and match them separately with the other ingredients
It'll be wonderful if you can give me some suggestions
Sure. I was just afraid you wouldn't like me to help you
Let's go in
Am I really very nasty to stay here for the night?
Don't be silly. I've told you it's OK
I'll feel uneasy if you've to go back at this time of the night. Grab a seat
Shi Chun is on night shift tonight If I can't sleep, I'll wait for him anyway
When Shi Chun is busy working on the book you won't sleep until he goes back?
I could usually do something to kill time
You're compiling the book here?
Yes, but it's quite cold here at night
That's why I worry Shi Chun may catch a cold working here
Will a goose down cushion help?
You've made it by yourself?
Yes, but I did it in a rush The craftsmanship is just so-so
You can buy a ready-made one in the street Why bother to do it by yourself?
I can put more goose down in a homemade one so it'll be a bit warmer
We don't always sit down when we work here
Anyway, you've to sit down sometimes
Sis, this is for you
I've got one too?
You don't like my craftsmanship?
I didn't expect I'd get one too
It's OK as long as you don't decline it
The weather is so cold The hands will become stiff
You could still make such a good cushion I've no reason to decline it
If you like it I can make another one for you
I can sew any flower pattern you like on it
Great! How about orchid?
What? Cauliflower?
What kind of flower is it?
You're a busybody
They've taken another palace maid I saw 3 times already
That eunuch said they were preparing a blood enriching decoction
What's your plan?
I'd like to go and have a look No
You know what to do?
Don't worry, you can count on me
Take her away now. Hurry up
What's your plan?
Bury her. Quick
What shall we put on the name tag?
Are you new? No gravestone Treat it as if this person didn't exist
Sorry, he's my fellow townsman He works here for the first day
He doesn't know the rules
Finish it for me. Hurry up
Sure, no problem
When you work here pretend as if you were deaf and dumb, OK?
I've to piss. Wait for me here
Don't leave me alone. Wait for me
You've scared my life out of it
I just want to look at the body clearly
How come she's dead now?
What's happened to hei?
The skin has been pierced by a needle There's a lot of blood stain
What's your plan? You want to carry on the investigation?
Eat it slowly. We've still got a lot
You pick mulberry and collect dew everyday What's the purpose of doing it?
The Taoist priests don't treat us as human beings
They just allow us to eat mulberry leaves and drink the dew
Why do they want to torture you?
They want to control our diet to make sure our blood is pure
Maintaining blood purity and sending palace maids to the Pharmacy?
How are they related to each other?
What's happened to the palace maids? Let's go and have a look
Many palace maids and guards are coming towards us. Let's leave
Freeze! Don't go away. Freeze!
Make her vomit Get the vegetable and pork buns out
Stopping eating! Make them vomit
We're lucky they're not chasing us
You were smart to throw the buns away Otherwise, we'll be buns if we're caught
Though we're fine those palace maids will suffer
They're skinny and malnourished I really feel sorry for them
The palace maid told us eating mulberry and drinking dew was for blood purity
How's it related to sending the palace maids to the Pharmacy?
If a person wants to become an immortal he's to eat mulberry and drink dew
Is it related to your making of elixir of life?
I don't think so. This isn't right We must go back and talk to them
No, did you see the Director's Assistants were there?
They're the men of Shiu Yuen Chit We don't know who's behind all these
If we go and make a complaint we may bring trouble to ourselves
We can't let them off like this
Let's investigate first We need more evidence